Amanda Nauman started seriously racing gravel in 2015, and since then, she has become one of the most well-known riders in the scene. This year Nauman joined the Dirty Kanza 200 1,000-mile club for completing her 5th race, so she has seen a half-decade of change in a scene that continues to grow.

We invited Nauman to stop by the Groadio studios to chat about this year’s Dirty Kanza 200 and the state of gravel in the U.S. She also talked about her gravel season thus far, and we even covered a little bit of cyclocross.

You can listen to Groadio Episode 4 via the embed below or on Apple Podcasts.

You can follow Nauman’s cyclocross and gravel exploits on Twitter at @_amanda_panda_ and on Instagram at @amanda_panda_.

If this is your first Groadio, check out the pre-DK200 episode, the post-DK200 episode and the first Groadio Power Rankings.