Joel makes a legit point. I assumed that Cat was for your category, and Masters was for your age group. The only restriction is age, it seems like the UCI point rule is adequate, and if you're not the best in your age group, you have no business being national champion. HTFU
Cyclocross Nationals: Overend Upends Masters 55-59 Field
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BEND, ORE. – Ned Overend added another national title to his impressive palmares, out-powering his Cal Giant-Specialized teammate Norm Kreiss today.
The race was billed as a reunion battle between reigning Masters national champ Paul Curley (Mid State Cycling Club-Gear Works) and Overend, and Curley used his snap to snag the hole shot in front of a powerful peloton. But a crash during the first lap ended Curley’s bid to contend for the win. Kreiss passed the felled Curley and set off in pursuit of a streaking Overend.
Overend and Kreiss rode together for a couple of laps, with Kreiss doing everything he could to hang onto the accomplished rider’s wheel before the separation, which Kreiss characterized as inevitable, occurred.
Curley would keep the pressure on, but Randall Root would catch him in the waning stages of the race. Curley would gain the upper hand through technical twists of the course, but Root had the edge when it came to outright power, and the course did an excellent job of blending the need for both. As the duo came onto the pavement with one lap to go, Root came around to lead onto the dirt. Shortly thereafter, Root would bobble in the mud, and Curley would get tangled up and crash for a second time. Although Curley would recover and regroup, he’d never be able to close down the gap. Root took third with Curley fourth.
|1||150||Edmund (Ned) Overend||Durango, CO||0:42:38||26957||331||Specialized|
|2||135||Norman Kreiss||Orinda, CA||43:35:00||127410||302||Morgan Stanley Cycling Team/Mor|
|3||120||Randall Root||Sterling, VA||45:29:00||30526||343||Evolution Cycling Club P/B Long|
|4||105||Paul Curley||Taunton, MA||45:51:00||8380||301||Mid State Cycling Club/Gear Wor|
|5||90||George Smith||Menlo Park, CA||46:35:00||168005||330||Alto Velo Racing Club/Webcor/Al|
|6||85||Michael Longmire||Missoula, MT||46:53:00||21552||344||Northern Rockies Cycling Team/M|
|7||80||Evan Griffiths||Portland, OR||47:09:00||14195||338||Emerald Velo Cycling Team Inc.|
|8||75||Jeff Townsend||Los Gatos, CA||47:35:00||262232||329|
|9||70||Steve Yenne||Salem, OR||47:57:00||39209||332|
|10||65||Terrell Knight||Vancouver, WA||48:35:00||221516||319|
|11||60||R Brook Watts||Longmont, CO||48:37:00||125080||322||Cody Racing|
|12||55||Wayne Gorry||Payson, AZ||48:50:00||13741||304|
|13||50||Steve Lamont||Durango, CO||49:04:00||20229||328|
|14||45||Gary Klingler||Bend, OR||49:15:00||19389||311||Webcyclery Racing/Webcyclery.Co|
|15||40||David Burnard||Forest Grove, OR||49:21:00||143865||315|
|16||38||Gregory Pautsch||Chippewa Falls, WI||49:22:00||180532||306||Planet Bike|
|17||36||Glen Jones||Madison, WI||49:24:00||237780||313||Brazen Dropouts/Brazen Dropouts|
|18||34||Torre Smitherman||Gainesville, GA||49:36:00||33326||325|
|19||32||Steve “Cosmic” Miller||Lake Stevens, WA||50:06:00||203491||334|
|20||30||Daniel MacNaughton||Portland , OR||50:36:00||330244||323|
|21||28||rick gregory||Eugene, OR||50:44:00||303502||337|
|22||26||Michael Olenick||Hailey, ID||50:53:00||183968||316||Durance-Colnago /Durance-Colnag|
|23||24||John Brown||Santa Cruz, CA||51:13:00||5094||341|
|24||22||steven miller||Portland, OR||51:37:00||303178||307|
|25||20||Steven Lacey||Portland, OR||51:44:00||20086||335||Showers Pass|
|26||19||Randall Silva||Albuquerque, NM||52:17:00||32666||336||Nob Hill Velo|
|27||18||Peter Spir||Lake Oswego, OR||52:22:00||86438||309|
|28||17||Ralph Tolli||Bend, OR||52:44:00||35700||324|
|29||16||James (Jimmy) Day||Santa Fe, NM||53:09:00||8894||305||Velo Del Norte|
|30||15||Ken Coleman||New York, NY||@1Lap||199626||327||Berkshire Cycling Association/B|
|31||14||Eric Perryman||Denver, CO||@1Lap||121932||303|
|32||13||Richard Sachs||Warwick, MA||@1Lap||45884||318||Connecticut Yankee Bc/Richard S|
|33||12||Vern Krist||Portland, OR||@1Lap||222491||326||Showers Pass|
|34||11||Kevin Ryan||Ventura, CA||@1Lap||177958||320||The Team /The Team Socalcross|
|35||10||Robert Walker||Pocatello, ID||@1Lap||48931||308||The Contender Club/Contender Bi|
|36||9||Thomas Sullivan||Santa Cruz, CA||@1Lap||129366||312|
|37||8||Kerry Shields||Salisbury, NC||@2Lap||32468||340||Carolina Masters|
|38||7||Karl Jackson||Bend, OR||@3Lap||75474||348|
|DNS||0||Harold Parker||Lenexa, KS||DNS||27258||310||360 Racing|
|DNS||0||Rick Swanson||Corona, CA||DNS||34753||314||Radsport Cycling Team|
|DNS||0||Chris Canfield||Westminster, CO||DNS||199672||317||Blue Sky Velo|
|DNS||0||Erik Brooks||Seattle, WA||DNS||235484||321||Avanti Racing Club|
|DNS||0||Paul Sadoff||Santa Cruz, CA||DNS||83434||333|
|DNS||0||Robert Downs||Madison, WI||DNS||9947||342||Planet Bike|
|DNS||0||Scott Sampson||Newhall, CA||DNS||213711||345|
|DNS||0||Barry Johnson||Woodinville, WA||DNS||48815||347|
|DNS||0||Charles Townsend||Mendota Heights, MN||DNS||46011||350||St Paul Bicycle Racing Club/Bia|
|DNF||0||Roland Goeckel||Seattle, WA||DNF||209812||346|
|DNF||0||Tom Holmes||Seattle, WA||DNF||16611||351|
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Looks like there needs to be a 30+ Cat 1 catagory at CX Natz-- this would settle the controversy of Cat 1 Masters destroying the mere mortals. This would also allow that high level rider to be competitive, but not have to race with the Elite field
I said I love Ned, we're not talking about hating any riders, just making points about whether it is fair to allow former Elite Champions to stomp the crap out of regular working stiffs who are true amateurs. Let's face it, these guys beat the BEST of the Pro's in their younger years and they are not competing against that caliber of riders now in the masters. What's the point for them? Move over Ms America, you had your reign.
isn't it supposed to be the national championships, so the best guy should win the category that they're eligible in? Plus, mention of guys that basically ride for a living? if you don't like racing against those guys, why not quit your job and do the same. Don't hate the guys because they have made those choices and sacrifices in order to live their lives the way they do and compete in the sport as they are. Being a "former" anything is exactly that, former, not current. if the second place guy trains just as much as overend, should the second guy not be allowed to race because of too much training? That's crazy, the restriction is age, and that is the only restriction that is put on the category. If you're the best 55 year old, then your the best 55 year old, regardless of what you may have done in the past or in a former profession.
I think that Norm deserved the win. Ned is a great guy and a god of cycling and that should put him somewhere else. Where? I'm not sure.
This quote from former Elite National Champion Steve Tilford might put it in perspective
"The new 50-54 age division champion will be one of the older competitors also gunning for a result in the Elite race – in fact, that’s the event Tilford told Cyclocross Magazine that he’s targeting. “This is really just a warm-up for the Elite race, I care about that more,” said Tilford.
That’s not an unrealistic goal – Tilford reported that he had to go out of his way to avoid getting UCI points during the season, since doing so would have made him ineligible for the Masters event. “I had to soft-pedal some UCI races this year to avoid getting points.” At Jingle Cross he had to finish 11th or worse for the C2 races and in 16th or worse for the C1."
What was that term Sand what?? Yes, perhaps we should have division for all the Masters "Pro" riders out there and let the mere mortals duke it out without the embarrassment or "honor", as someone said, of getting our asses handed to us by these guys who still basically ride their bikes for a living. What satisfaction or achievement could be derived from winning the masters events against mere mortals when you've already won the top of your game in the Elite category.
It seems like this will become part of the ongoing discussion that attempts to answer the question: who is a national championship cyclocross race for?
Those of us who struggle to keep up with the back of the pack -- and that definitely includes me -- appreciate the accessibility that 'cross offers to participation in racing. I compete with myself at every race, and strive to do my best always. That said, I am realistic about my prospects in the long term, and don't feel a need to stake a claim on any "right" to race at a national championships. If Nats is intended for the best of the best, let them have it -- as long as there are resources and time left over for local races to continue to be a large part of the sport.
For those who think that a former world champion probably should be separated out from the "regular" Masters' racers, that's a question to bring directly to USAC and the UCI. This being only my second season of racing, I haven't done enough to have an informed opinion myself.
I think the new rules regarding masters racers should address it....if you score UCI points in an elite race, you can't race masters. If you CAN score UCI points in an elite race it means you should likely be racing elites and not masters. If you still race masters, I think there is a term we have for it that starts with the word sand.... Perhaps Page should come out and warm up in the 35-39 category to scope out the course and scoop a RWB training jersey for getting muddy in Belgium...bet those guys would love that!
masters racing is becoming the place where 30+ elites get their titles .....too bad that's the direction this is going....
I love Ned too, but not sure Elite World Champs should be allowed to race mere mortals in masters racing....just saying....
my reading of the rules only excludes you from racing masters at the *national* championships if you were: a) licensed as an elite, b) a member of a uci team during the current year or c) rode as an elite in the cx world cup, world champs, or continental champs in the current year. im not sure about this whole uci points thing - i think that may relate to eligibility for masters *world* championships
tilford won the top of his game in the elite category in 83 and 84. hes still in the mix with the elites at nats 25 years later, but regardless of how badly he can trounce the rest of his age group, i cant argue that he should be forced to exclusively finish mid-pack with the elites simple because he was us national champion a quarter century ago, any more than i can argue that overend should be excluded from masters cross based on his dominant performance as a mountain biker decades ago.
I don't think UCI points affect the master national championships, but instead are a factor if you plan to race the worlds masters race. Example look at the womens nats races all of them have UCI points and are the front couple rows for the Elite race. Racing a World Cup CX race is the one thing that comes to mind for kicking a rider out of the master nats field. With masters worlds coming to Ohio it would be cool to see and article on exactly what the qualifications are..
The title everyone's racing for is "National Champion," not "National Champion of guys with a full-time job and 3 kids, who like to drink beer on weekends." The best are the best, period. Whatever life choices, sacrifices and genetic talent got the Neds and Tillys of the world to that level make them champions. They deserve unqualified accolades and not sour grapes from the rest of us. Where do you draw the threshold for who can race ? For some of the replies, it seems to be '"anybody who's faster than me." USAC makes the cross nats accessible to everyone, including the non-championship B races. Pick the right race, line up and do your best.
im hoping thatll be "if you score uci points in an elite race *during the same season*, you can't race masters" - because having scored elite points at some earlier point in your career shouldnt eliminate you from racing masters... and really, overend, amazing as he is, is racing masters 55-59 - i can see this being more of an issue with the guys still in their 30s or even early 40s, but forcing a 50+ rider to ride with the elite younguns simply cause theyre too badass for their masters cat? (not to say that he couldnt show the elites a thing or two as well, but...) im with shiggy - there are few things more inspirational than watching people like overend and myrah dominate their masters cat, and then returning to school some of the young bucks in the elites - especially having been inspired by their dominance 20+ years ago. if i wasnt so in love with racing singlespeed, i would be *honored* to be destroyed by those guys racing masters.
Just imagine if you were an older woman master (like myself) and HAD TO race 35+ EVERY TIME! There is no longer enough of us to have our own cat anymore! So basically there is no way we can EVER win unless we go to a natz champ event! Some of us would be really competetive among our own age groups but sadly we just race for our health now against the young gals.
Though Ned has never been the 'cross world champion, or even competed in 'cross internationally.
I always found it inspirational to see riders such as Malone, Tilford and Myrah compete in the maters championship race and return to battle in the elites.
One year I watched Malone win the masters title, lineup for the open (elite) race minutes later. He fight for the win--and lapped me twice.
Straight from the source. Basically, if you score UCI points in during the season, or race at a world cup race or are on a UCI team (any discipline), then you cannot race in the Masters WC race.
FYI, 2nd place at 2010 "B" Master's Nationals? Christopher Fisher, a category 1 racer who spent the 2010 cross season racing, exclusively Cat 1/2 or A events (granted they were smaller races than those that make the cover of CXMagazine.com but still...), including this year's Jingle Cross races in the Elite category, where he was clearly out of his depth, but still managed to beat more than a handful of racers each of the 3 days.
Winner, of the "B" race at nationals? Category 1 Craig Faulkner's CX resume if filled with four 1st place finishes in the 35+ category, two 2nd places. In "A" category races he can claim 3rd, 4th, 5th and 6th place finishes. And two years ago at B nationals, he placed 5th.
Look, I don't want to come across as the championship winning whiner on this message board (too late, right?), but at a minimum, I think it's time to restrict "B" nationals' events from category 1 cyclists. That might help...maybe not.
Really, you would be "honored" to be destroyed by elite caliber master racers? So after training all week, all season only to show up to a regional master's race where you might be lapped and pulled from a race because guys like Overend and former Pro elite champion Mark McCormack who could (easily place in the top 20 of any elite race in the country), the feeling you will have is, "I'm honored?" I guess we are two very different kinds of racers, because I don't get that sentiment at all.
I don't know. It sounds like you might want to work up some energy in your local/regional scene to get more older women involved in racing (though increasing the number of women in your actual category is not necessarily a guarantee you'll suddenly be more competitive). I've been lobbying for my local cross series to separate singlespeed by gender, but now that it looks like it might finally happen I'm not laboring under delusions of grandeur. I still expect to get schooled. That's a big part of what racing is for me, challenging myself by throwing myself in with faster people and learning what I can in the process.
So I'm on the fence about this issue. On the one hand, I think it would be totally awesome to line up in a womens' singlespeed race with Sue Butler and get my head handed to me on a platter; just watching her pick sick lines, even as I roll backwards in the field, would be a clinic. On the other hand, I'd hate to see any non-Elite category eventually become a hideout for some vaguely-defined, "second-tier" Elite group, to the point of pushing out the weekend warriors who aren't paid to race. it's a tough call.
the b race at nationals is a non-championship event, specifically open to 1/2/a category racers who arent racing masters or elites for whatever reason, whether it be not holding a usac license, or whatever. theyre kind of the designated "everyone else" races at nats.
sometimes i think the only thing that bugs me more than sandbaggers are the people who whine about them :)
and i dont get the sentiment of wanting someone eliminated from a category they are qualified to race in, simply because they are too good. there isnt anywhere to upgrade to from masters, right? you dont see me bitching cause adam craig showed up to race singlespeed and took us to school. i got lapped and pulled, plain and simple. i love watching crossers come out and kick butt racing - that butt being mine, and that race being one im in doesnt curb my enjoyment in the slightest.
where would you have overend go? to elites, where, despite his skill, strength and experience as a rider, hed be racing against people half his age? hes a badass, but really? like i said earlier, perhaps itd be a different deal with a former pro in their 30s or maybe even early 40s, but i dont think theres much of a leg to stand on in excluding someone from 54-59 masters cause theyre too much of a badass.
Yes, I had these same guys destory me when we were all in our 20s. Why should it be any different now? If I can not beat the best riders my own age, why would I deserve to be the national champion?
Well, I have to admit that 2010 race results show an Overend who seemed to be performing more like a tough "master" than a truly competitive "elite." However, 2009's results were definitely in the "competitive" category when he, for example, lined up against the likes of Todd and Jake Wells.
2009 Elite Jingle Cross III 10th place (won by Todd Wells)
2009 Elite Jingle Cross II 9th place (won by Todd Wells)
2010 Pro1/2 Sea Otter RR, 14th place (4 places behind Burke Swindlehurst)
But overall, I'll concede your point about Overend.
so define "competitive". consistent top 10? top 20? once dominated the pro ranks of a different cycling discipline, over a decade ago? never really raced cross back in the day, when he was on top of the mtb game, but now does a couple, mostly small-time, cross races a year, sometimes as an elite, sometimes as age group, and does pretty damn well, but cross obviously isnt his focus, but then shows up at nats, races age group masters, wins it consistently, and people get pissy?
me, im just bummed that tilford and overend wont be in the same usac age cat until 2032.